His grades fell to average. I think he was broken over the loss of his son, and wants to remember the boy Dylan was and not the murder he became? When I was in high school, i was friends with a guy who very well could have done what those kids did. Dylan Klebold and Eric Harris had openly admired Adolf Hitler. "I wonder if there was any homosex between those two.". By accepting all cookies, you agree to our use of cookies to deliver and maintain our services and site, improve the quality of Reddit, personalize Reddit content and advertising, and measure the effectiveness of advertising. He was a sociopath and needed drugs and a really good psychiatrist. No one could control him. She hyped it up as a must see and an insight to what really happened. Are any of Robert Hare's books of interest, if you know? Apologies in advance if this question has already been answered. multiple newspapers and media outlets in the days after reported dylan and his father having the kind of relationship where, when dylan would come home from school, they would share a snack and read the sports section of the newspaper together. After the killing: How parents of attackers cope. On a calendar entry dated the day of the attack, April 20, the time 11:10 is written across the top an approximate reference to when Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold pulled out their weapons . You're a judgmental twat, r14. You have no right to disrupt someone else's place of business. Weren't they in a small group of rebellious kids? Why does anyone think that parents know or care what their children do? The testimony people point out of a co-worker stating Dylan didnt get on with his father is unreliable as he couldve been having a teenage moan or joining in one time right up to regular bitterly disparaging remarks and reasons why. Now, she spends her time advocating for suicide prevention and mental health services. We are not there yet. Thank you! Wayne - who owned guns himself - told the clerk he hadn't ordered any clips. ERIC AND DYLAN 4 LIFE! Dylan was giddy and beaming, all cleaned up for once. He'd gone with a traditional black tuxedo, bow tie slightly askew. Without advertising income, we can't keep making this site awesome for you. Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold were charged with theft, criminal mischief, and criminal trespassing for breaking into a van and . I was just messing with you all a little bit in my other posts. Ignore them. This is my (completely layman's) opinion, but I've always figured that we have more or less tamped down the "How" of the brain, but we're still working on the "Why" of the brain. Was Tom there for him when he needed him? Dylan Klebold was interviewed inside the Columbine libary on January 30th, 1998. However, most people know they are guilty as sin and should burn in hell with their son. . It just seems all a bit odd. GOLDEN, Colo. (AP) _ Less than three months before his deadly rampage at Columbine High School, Dylan Klebold was described by a probation officer as intelligent and capable of making any dream happen, according to juvenile records made public Friday. Dylan seems to have been a very unhappy person. He had been in a gifted child program, and you'd think they'd have some type of monitoring since kids who are that advanced frequently have problems. (talks about his mother being thoughtful, bringing him candy and Slim Jims) "I really am sorry about all this. Brian Rohrbough, father of victim Daniel Rohrbough, said he was outraged that the Klebolds likened the day of the shootings to a natural disaster in the interview with Brooks. Tom seemed in complete denial. As a literature teacher, symbolism is not lost on me. Yesterday there was a girl in her backyard screaming like an insane person at somebody or something. He did it in contradiction to the way he was raised.. LITTLETON, Colo., April 24 - The parents of Dylan Klebold, one of the teenage shooters in the Columbine High School massacre, said goodbye to their dead son . Both were from Columbus, Ohio and went to Ohio State University. School shooters often show little attachment to their school. You teach people to manage their condition. The perpetrator often has faced peer or social rejection, endured bullying, has anger about the bullying, and lacks the social or coping skills to deal with these issues. There are several bags on the floor, including a large maroon one. Am I supposed to be impressed by dates, VOTN? There are a lot more R&V followers out there than you would think. [quote]Did Harris or Klebold have any siblings? Dylan Klebold's father contacted authorities, saying the boy might be involved and offering to help, Jefferson County District Attorney Dave . I honestly do believe (and so does mom) that his brain has been rewired primarily by a head injury he sustained when he was just toddling. I cannot have my uzzer patrons being upset. Dylan adds that they can have his things as well. He overslept and missed a class and was sleeping when I got home. Create an account to follow your favorite communities and start taking part in conversations. It would be satisfying to blame the parents. I read recently that neither set of parents ever spoke publicly or to the media. That's the first thing. Dylan Klebold had been accepted by the University of Arizona and planned to attend this fall. Mrs. Klebold had her hair done the day after the shooting. Sue Klebold, whose son Dylan, 17, went on a shooting rampage with his friend Eric Harris, 18, at their high school in Colorado in 1999, . Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold, the gunman, had been bullied for several years prior to the massacre. [quote]But even if you work with them to avoid their *own* pain, that's a start. Sue Klebold broke down in tears as she remembered the funeral of her son Dylan. But they sure jumped at the chance to be on Oprah! Hers was a love as dark and true, as embracing and self-abnegating, as Cordelia's. On April 20, 1999, Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold, seniors at Columbine High School in Littleton, Colo., placed . Dave Cullen, in a radio interview that I've been listening to, is very quick to point out that psychopathy doesn't equate automatically with murder. No matter how angry they were they wouldn't be able to kill that many without those weapons. Per the other Columbine thread, I'm in the midst of reading Dave Cullen's "Columbine." The mother of Columbine killer Dylan Klebold says she thinks every day about the people her . Virginia Tech. That's not contrition, it's a final fuck you to the world. I don't believe I've said anything about gun control, of which this country has far too little of. But 936 pages of evidence taken from the killers' homes and cars were released by the Jefferson County Sheriff's office on Thursday, and a notebook kept by Eric's father . Andreas Lubitz, Adam Lanza, Dylan Klebold and Anders Breivik (from left to right) On the second . I think it is really interesting to think about the many things that lead someone to commit a school shooting. Dylan has been so reclusive. They cry innocence and ignorance, when I know they were anything BUT. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. The glaring one that Americans seem unable to see is the huge amount of available weapons in the US. They may show cruelty to animals, or alternatively a high degree of affection or attachment to animals. If someone read my journals as a teen, youd assume my Mom and I would have killed each other by now, but now we are pretty close. They do not have a moral center that can be reached. Klebold and Harris were in a juvenile diversion program for breaking into a van and stealing tools and other items in January 1998. Eric: "Susan, sorry. My own experience is that my gifted teacher dragged me out of sporting events because they weren't academic enough, encouraged my teachers to assign me extra work that the other kids didn't do, and basically didn't understand teenagers, high school, or what it was like to be ostracized at all. But a new book, x93Columbine,x94 by Dave Cullen, reviews every bit of evidence about the shooting short of the parentsx92 firsthand accounts x97 25,000 pages of documents, including videotapes and journals of the killers x97 all of which point to the same chilling conclusion as the Carneal depositions: it is entirely possible for x93goodx94 parents to raise a murderer. in CJ 725, Tagged: columbine, mass murderer, mental illness, school shootings. It is also true that environmental stimuli can make the difference between a kid with "problems" and a kid who becomes a "monster." They are particularly good at it. She didn't do anything that would be perceived as spying. Press J to jump to the feed. In general: School shootings happen most at high schools, with a student at the school acting alone as the shooter. Tom seemed to view Dylan as his best friend/soulmate, at least according to what Sue has told us. Brooks said the Klebolds agreed to the interview after an exchange of e-mails initiated by Tom Klebold, who was angered by Brooks April 24 column. Subject: Re: The Klebolds are DIVORCED Fri Feb 12, 2016 11:17 pm. Dylan Klebold was 17 when he and Harris,18, carried out their long-planned attack on the high school about 13 miles south of downtown Denver. I think maybe his outlook grew worse over time. . The term "psychopath" was in academic use by the early 1910s, and the definitive work on psychopathy was published in 1941. His parents were Wayne Harris and his wife Katherine Ann Poole. ", Eric: (shrugs) "My parents might have made some mistakes that they weren't really aware of. Sociopaths are born, but people who remain sociopaths as they age: either missed puberty; or had bad parents. This page is focused on the tragedy as well as its perpetrators so we can try to better understand the psychology and motives behind this horrific event. "How do you teach someone to have emotions or empathy?". At approximately 11:19 a.m., Dylan Klebold, 17, and Eric . He went to his senior prom and based on his journal had a wonderful time, and was invested in his future to such an extent that he chose a college and made a trip out to Arizona to look at dorm rooms with his father. Bratty kids in Target are not mass murderers in the making. Jesus, what a loathsome pair of people. Dylan was behaving differently, getting in more trouble, not always acting like himself. I've always felt sorry for Dylan, who seemed so lost and depressed. Im going to start by reviewing what Bartol & Bartol (2017) have to say about school shooters (and shootings) as a group, though they also state there is no single school shooter profile. That's why Dylan got one for Christmas 99, it was Tom's way of finding something to bond with with Dylan. Stop doing that." Funny how things cycle.". Sue Klebold. 9-11-1981 -- 17 year old son of Mr. Thomas Klebold (then 52) and Mrs. Susan (Yassenoff) Klebold (then 50), younger brother to Byron (21 at the time). Dylan Klebold along with his friend, Eric Harris, committed the Columbine High School massacre 17 years ago. [quote]None of us knows exactly how the brain works. If a kid is screaming endlessy, you remove the child from the area. R17, would you call yourself more of a Harris or more of a Klebold? Eric says if either the clerk or his father had asked just one question, "we would have been fucked.". Harris and Klebold met at Ken Caryl Middle School during their seventh grade year. KleboldI started reading the Columbine book, how does he try to explain Klebold? however, in her book, sue shared a diary entry she wrote of an incident in the months before the massacre: 1/11/99 This long, hard day is over. She is the mother of Dylan Klebold, one of the perpetrators of the Columbine High School massacre that occurred on April 20, 1999. Brian Rohrbough, father of victim Daniel Rohrbough, said he was outraged that the Klebolds . I'm just thinking of the argument Sue mentioned in her book where Tom was insisting that Dylan remove his baseball hat before they went for breakfast (during their visit to Arizona State University). His parents raised their two boys as many others did, following that close-knit, suburban family model (p. 62). I go into Target and there are children shrieking like banshees in the shopping cart and the mother never says "Be quite. Reddit and its partners use cookies and similar technologies to provide you with a better experience. The pair . He has always been excessively cruel to animals (he even shot and killed his own dog because it barked), obsessed with weapons, "charmingly" manipulative of adults, a pathological liar, disdainful of other people and abusive to them and VERY quick to anger. That kid was born with some sort of brain injury. Even after he broke into a car and stole stuff, there was no monitoring of his time spent making pipe bombs or firing guns or playing video games that glorified killing. Family & Personal Life. His parents were Wayne and Katherine. ". What have I raised? Has anyone seen it who can comment? Brown can . ", Dylan: (talks about how his parents taught him to be independent and self-reliant) "I appreciate that.". Ten years after the Columbine killings, the Harris family has not spoken publicly at all, and the Klebold parents have given one interview, to the columnist David Brooks here at the New York Times. His mom was trying to find the best fit for him, but I suspect it ended up being more difficult for him), and both enjoyed violent video games. Dylan takes the camera then and begins filming Eric. . Maybe he needs to go home. By David Brooks. They were not the mainstream group. Cullen, who covered the story for the former Rocky Mountain News, seems to take the view that the Harrises were willfully ignorant of their son's personality (and Major Wayne Harris honestly seems like a bit of a tyrant), and the Klebolds were just clueless. Dylan is wearing a black baseball cap on backward, exposing a "B" embroidered in white on the back of the hat - the Boston Red Sox logo. Dylan ended the shooting which saw 13 . I am with R14 and 15. In my defense, R78, everyone knew I wrote the best hand. Find it interesting Tom would say he was Dylan's best friend. [quote]I think he made only one phone call to a recruiter. Sue would later find out through his journals though that by sophomore year he was battling depression and suicidal thoughts. He was easy to raise, a pleasure to be with, a child who had always made us proud (Klebold, 2016, p. 61). Just know I'm going to a better place. Unfortunately, Eric was able to channel Dylans experiences and psychology into a violent act that would take not only his own life, but the lives of many others. His negative traits werent out of the ordinary either, really: he was very sensitive to embarrassment, which sometimes led to anger; and he was perhaps a little too independent, where he wouldnt ask for help even if he needed it like when he had to take a break from baseball after pains he never mentioned became so bad they caused his arm real damage. Brooks Brown, now 31 years-old was a senior at Columbine during what was considered to be the worst school shooting in U.S. history. They then killed themselves in the school library. WTF?!? 17 year old son of Mr. Thomas Klebold (then 52) and Mrs. Susan (Yassenoff) Klebold (then 50), younger brother to Byron. Just three days before the shooting, he went to prom with a friend. On Dylan's part, I think that in January 1999, he was depressed and preparing to die - distancing himself from those he loved, so that it would be easier for him to carry out the attack. Parents are not automatically responsible for the behavior of their teenage children. No, they hated the gay boys almost as much as they hated the jocks. "Psychopaths don't feel guilty because they are blind to guilt," Ochberg said. Bedwetting, firesetting and cruelty to animals. Tom's surgery was today. And society does not want to deal with real problems, so it easier to label people, and just forget about the whole thing. These are all great examples of Tom's relationship with Dylan. The bombing was planned for April 19th, to coincide with the Oklahoma bombing, but for some reason, they were set back to the 20th. If they had even one shred of decency they would have taken full responsibility for creating and shaping and not monitoring these monsters. Brian Rohrbough, father of victim Daniel Rohrbough, said he was outraged that the Klebolds likened the day of the shootings to a natural disaster in the interview with Brooks. Eric also said he had purposefully not been spending much time with his family so there wouldn't be much "bonding" leading up to April 20 since that would make it harder to do. So I'm gone. Forum Reputation : 52. [quote]The teachers at Columbine all seemed incredibly disengaged. We are not there yet. Klebold and Dylan's father, Tom, endured not only . Outside Dylans journals, most of the information Sue got about Dylans frame of mind for the shootings came from a series of videotapes he and Eric had secretly made together. I read a book about young doctors and they were discussing whether you can teach compassion. Apparently his meds caused an issue with a military enlistment, but wouldn't a caring parent sit down with their kid and figure out a Plan B? Harris was born in Wichita, Kansas, on April 9, 1981. But even if you work with them to avoid their *own* pain, that's a start. "He got his satisfaction by dominating." Eric . She went to Ohio State University where she dated Tom. Sue (as both she and her son share the same surname, Im going to refer to them by their first names for the sake of clarity) begins by emphasizing that she and her husband, Tom, truly had no idea what Dylan was planning. I recently watched the documentary Raising Adam Lanza, and, though it wasnt as detailed, there were some interesting overlaps between Adam and Dylan. Maybe that's what I find so scary about the whole thing, that there are people who walk around, every day, and are completely lacking in everything that I thinks makes us human. VERIFY: In the past 20 years did the majority of mass shooters take psychotropic drugs? For an optimal experience visit our site on another browser. Jefferson County Public Schools officials have consistently denied that bullying was tolerated or that athletes received special treatment. While in class we have made abundantly clear that most people with mental health issues are non-violent, Dylans depression and suicidality fits the school shooter pattern. Klebold's body was . The Klebolds attorney, Gary Lozow, told The Denver Post the Klebolds had no plans to grant any other interviews. Dylan also writes in his journal that. . On April 20, 1999, two teenage gunmen kill 13 people in a shooting spree at Columbine High School in Littleton, Colorado, south of Denver. From what we cam tell, the Harris family took a laissez-faire attitude towards Eric. Goodbye. I wonder if there was any homosex between those two. For not seeing that, I will never forgive myself.. Klebold attended the high . It's about a half an hour before our little judgment day. The real tragedy of Columbine isn't the deaths, it's the failure to work to change our culture (from bullying to gun control) in the aftermath. ". (The OP was looking for books on personality mirroring and other techniques sociopaths use). What a twat. Kids hide things. IIRC, they both had psychiatric attention. It was obvious that the attack had been in the works for a long time, and the plan carefully thought out. Just as the son's evil made people go back and re-evaluate his dad, discovering examples like the time Poppy sabotaged his opponent's sail boat the night before the race; one wonders if one should investigate more closely the dealings of the Harrises. I believe it was either a sibling or playmates. YOU SHOULD NOT STOP ME FROM EXPRESSING MY OPINION!!!!! Even still, he seemed happy and had a handful of close friends. I was in high school at the time. Also when I was growing up, people had no qualms about calling a parent and saying "Your little boy Johnny said something really awful to my son today." or "Your little Janey slapped Susey today and she needs to stop doing that." You're far too stupid to ever see that though. These two need to be gutted and hung out for the vultures. I just don't get it. We monitored what movies our boys could see, and put them to bed with stories and prayers and hugs (p. 61). Attention was paid. After I wrote a column a few weeks ago about the 1999 shootings at Columbine High School, I got e-mail from Tom Klebold, the father of Dylan Klebold, one of the . r54 is right. Eric David Harris (April 9, 1981 - April 20, 1999) and Dylan Bennet Klebold (/ . I think those that readily (and outrightly) blame the parents are inclined to do so as to perpetuate some aspect of control, otherwise the shear nature of the case becomes too frightening.
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